Disneyland's Submarine Voyage attraction opened in June of 1959, and closed in September of 1998.
Since this month marks the 26th anniversary of the attraction's closing, let's take a look at some related items.
This button was handed out to guests who rode the Subs, on the very last day of operation.
Prior to that last day, several newspaper articles were written about the impending closure. This article was from the "Business" section of The Los Angeles Times and was published July 30, 1998, five weeks before the closure. According to a Disney spokesman, the Submarine Voyage was closing "to make way for a new, snazzier attraction to debut in 2003." Well, that didn't happen! A new attraction didn't actually debut until 9 years after the Subs' closing. But then on a similar note, the Carousel Theater actually remained closed for 10 whole years, with a sign out front stating, "We're Closed to Imagineer a Brand New Attraction," and that didn't happen either!
Speaking of the Carousel Theater, this part of the article claims that the Carousel of Progress got the boot, for the 1998 renovation of Tomorrowland. It had actually closed 25 years earlier. Do your proper research, people!!!
This Los Angeles Times article was published on September 3, 1998, only five days before the closure.
This one informed readers that the Submarine Voyage was one of the first three attractions given an "E" ticket designation, back in 1959. The other two attractions were the Matterhorn and the Monorail, which opened on the same day as the Subs.
The journalist included some quotes from Shannon Baughmann, a former "live mermaid" at Disneyland. The quotes originally came from David Koenig's book, "Mouse Tales."
And this one is also from The Los Angeles Times, and is dated September 9th, 1998, the day after their closure. The article mentions that the wait for the Subs on the last day of operation, was at times, up to 90 minutes.
All three articles quoted Disney spokespeople, stating that guest surveys showed the public wanted a more "thrilling" ride.....supposedly. But I wouldn't put it past the Disney spokespeople to be lying to the reporters, and the real intention was just to save the company some money by shutting it down.
I took these next three photos, the very last time that I rode the Submarine Voyage. The photos are date stamped "November 1998" on the back, but since they closed in September of that year, I must have waited a couple months to have this roll of film developed.
This first one was taken just as a Sub had pulled up to the dock. In the bottom left hand corner, you can see the boarding ramp for guests, which cast members would lower down over the front and back ends of the subs.
The same ramp can be seen in the bottom right hand corner of this pic. The ramp led to a staircase, which spiraled downward into the sub. The pilots of the subs would board the vessels prior to the guests.
I took this next pic of the empty sub, after everyone had already disembarked. Notice the little "air blower" vents in each of the portholes.
Going back one year earlier, I was taking many pictures in an attempt to document all aspects of the attraction. At that time, I didn't know for sure that it was eventually going to be shut down. However, a "remodeling" of Tomorrowland had already been announced and I knew there was a chance.....a very likely chance, that they were going to ruin the attraction, if not remove it altogether.
These next pics were taken in Spring of 1997. Note the fencing and tarp along the PeopleMover track. Work had already begun, to convert it to one of the biggest flops in Disneyland's history, the Rocket Rods. Okay, maybe the Rocket Rods are actually "tied" with Light Magic!
These sea turtle pics were actually taken while standing on the walkway, between the Matterhorn and the Submarine Voyage, looking down into the lagoon.
Now, let's take a ride on the Submarine Voyage!
"Among these coral reefs, you'll see various species of marine life, feeding among the seaweed and unusual rock formations. There are lobsters, crabs, and sea turtles."
"These reptilian patriarchs of the deep, are the amphibious descendants of the dinosaur, and have changed little in the past 200 million years." (I believe this is one of the sea turtles we saw from above the surface of the water.)
"Roaming the coastal sea bottoms in search of food, are the Groupers, or Giant Sea Bass."
"And speaking of giants, the giant clam has a fluted shell that can weigh up to a quarter of a ton."
Here are a couple "silent sentinels of the deep"; an octopus battling a young shark. And speaking of "silent"....."the fish world has always been considered a silent habitat, but now thanks to remarkable advances in marine technology, we can use instruments such as our sonar hydrophones, to actually hear the fish talk."
This one is saying, HEEEELP MEEEE!!!
Quality photographs couldn't really be achieved, once the Subs were inside the ride's show building/caverns....at least, not with my camera. So instead, I decided to take a picture of the inside of the submarine. Oh, and there is "NO smoking, please! The smoking lamp is out!"
This is a shot (from Wikipedia) of the last scene before exiting the caverns. "It...it looks like a....it is, it's a sea serpent!"
Here are two more exterior shots:
After the Subs reopened in 2007, as the new "Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage," I tried to replicate the shot above, for a "before and after" comparison. They had changed the exit and entrance ramp for the Monorail station, so now it is located very close to where the subs exit the caverns. The new ramp can be seen on the far right.
Construction on the "Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage" began in 2005, after the lagoon had just sat there for 7 very long years. A construction wall went up around the lagoon, along with artwork announcing what was coming, and when.
As the opening date got closer, a sign appeared out in the Esplanade, in front of the park.
Banners also appeared on the lampposts in both the Esplanade and Downtown Disney.
Inside the park, a countdown sign was posted at the entrance to the attraction, displaying the exact number of days until opening.
Before the Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage officially opened to the public, Disneyland Annual Passholders were given a chance to "sea" it early.
As a part of the attraction's new "Nemo" theme, a large buoy was added to the lagoon.
Three animatronic seagulls sit atop the buoy.
Every so often, the seagulls will open their mouths, and start saying the one and only word they ever spoke in the film, "Mine! Mine! Mine!"
I've been on the new version of the attraction many times now, but I've only taken a few pics during the actual ride. Here are those shots:
"DIVE! DIVE! Take her down easy!"
A giant sea bass, very similar to the originals, returned to the lagoon.
Colorful coral:
The two battling crabs vignette returned, but now they are standing over the grate of an underwater pipeline. According to Wikipedia, they are supposedly just "pinching bubbles."
I hope everyone has enjoyed this "adventurous voyage through liquid space....our last frontier on the planet Earth!"
****UPDATE - October 7, 2024****
Here are two Disneyland guides from the Summer of 2007. Both were announcing, "The Subs Are Back!" on their covers.
And both guides featured this description, inside.
The Submarine Voyage was another favorite of mine at Disneyland. I always loved the classic narration attractions from when Walt was alive like the Jungle Cruise, Western Mine Train and Submarine Voyage.
ReplyDeleteThat L.A. Time article is irritating to read. Those Disney spokes people were talking a bunch of malarky. Nothing to do with "dazzling" new adventures. It was to save money and drive profit margins up.
I only rode Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage once and that was enough for me. I didn't care for it at all and found it a poor replacement for an attraction that had a bit of edutainment. Converting it into an IP attraction ruined it for me. Just another step in ruining Walt's park. Now nothing is of scientific or of educational value at Disneyland. It's the dumbing down of the park for the current fans.
I also didn't like what was done to the Submarine Lagoon by reducing its footprint. Now instead of the Disneyland Monorail gliding over a full lagoon, it glides past on a bunch of rock formations. Very anti-cinematic to me. They ruin everything and everywhere.
Your photos of the original Submarine Voyage are wonderful. Thanks for sharing those.
And there is my favorite character from the original Submarine Voyage. The sea serpent. I always looked forward to seeing it as it was a humorous touch and put a smile on my face.
Thanks TM!, for sharing about this wonderful attraction that once was.
Ken, the original Submarine Voyage was also one of my favorite attractions! And I also didn't like what the Nemo version did to the lagoon. Those rocks look weird! And it was better when the Monorail went over most of the lagoon, instead of mostly over rocks.
ReplyDeleteIt is too bad that so many animated characters have been shoved into all areas of the park, pretty much making every land "Fantasyland."
I have always been irked by the what the DL spokespeople "spew" when it comes to explaining why they are getting rid of a classic attraction....either in print in the newspapers, or on TV in news reports. I suppose they have to regurgitate whatever they are told to say, or else they wouldn't have their jobs!
I'm glad you enjoyed my photos!
Great pics as always TokyoMagic!!!!! Oh the pain you and all the other hardcore Disneyland fans must have felt when it was announced that the Subs were done for. Now a days, me as well as everybody else wants the subs gone for expansion lol, funny how that works. The last time I rode the Subs was back in ‘97, It was with a cousin that had passed away a couple of years later, I still remember it fondly. Little did I know it would close one year later but I was still just a kid with no car, money or way of being in the know of that stuff. I was a Disneyland nerd but with only about 30 min of internet time to myself on AOL and it basically took 20 min to load one page lol so that didn’t get me very far when looking up Disney related news.
ReplyDeleteI remember those terrible rumors of the Expedition Atlantis retheme of the subs based on the film. Guess it’s a good thing that the movie flopped or would the ride have been better? Hmmm.
TokyoMagic, I got a couple of sub related questions. Do you happen to know if they used any of the sea life props in the Finding Nemo version? In one of your pics, there is a cast member standing on top of the middle of the seats to look through the top of the sub, is this something they always did, is that in the current version? You mention that the monorail has less water to roam over now, why did they add more rockwork? For more scenes or more sub storage?
Yeah, like you, I think Disney closed the Subs to save money. If the public was clamoring for something more "thrilling", then why did they bring the Subs back? They must've got a lot of comments from disgruntled Disneyland fans saying, "Bring back the Subs!"
ReplyDeleteI do like the look of the Nemo Subs. I liked the battleship gray Subs as well, but this is a nice upgrade, IMO. I also like the seagull poop splattered on the buoy. Of course, it's animatronic poop. Can you actually hear the seagulls say, "Mine! Mine! Mine!"? If so, I think that's great; one of the best gags in the movie.
Only one sea bass in the new version? I think there were at least three in the original. I sense some corner cutting ($$$).
Crabs "pinching bubbles"... Yeah, right. Heaven forbid, the public should be exposed to some of Nature's "hard facts". Maybe Wikipedia got it wrong?...... Nahhh.
A nice, and interesting post on the closing and reopening of the Subs. Better to have something than nothing, I guess. They coulda turned it into a Pooh playground. Thanks, Tokyo!
Mike, so it sounds like you never cared for either version of the Subs? I wouldn't say that I felt pain over it closing. Like I said, I was kind of expecting it from them......just like I expect almost anything from them now, when it comes to removal and destruction of the classic stuff. That is why I was documenting it as much as I could, because I really expected the whole lagoon to be dug up and filled in.
ReplyDeleteI saw "Atlantis" in the theater, and was majorly disappointed. I wouldn't even be able to tell anyone very much about it, except that the characters go to "Atlantis" and that Michael J. Fox provides one of the voices. It just wasn't memorable, in my opinion, so a ride based on the film seemed like a bad idea. But I do remember hearing that rumor about the abandoned Sub attraction, prior to the movie being released.
In answer to your questions.....from what I remember hearing.....and I'm not sure now if it was from the internet, or from a DL employee.......the fish and other creatures in the Sub lagoon were of some material that eventually deteriorated from exposure to the high chlorine levels, so they had to be replaced quite frequently. For that reason, the molds for all those creatures were kept on the property and used for making the new props, as needed. The story goes, that Eisner or Pressler (or maybe both) thought that all of those molds were taking up too much space, especially when there were no plans to bring the Subs back. But supposedly Matt Ouimet wanted to bring them back for a limited run for the park's 50th, if it could have been done for a reasonable amount of money. Then, when he was informed that they no longer had the molds, he decided it would be too expensive to bring them back, since all of the molds would have to be recreated. Now that I'm relaying the story, I believe this was something I read on Al Lutz' wonderful site. How much do we all miss Al Lutz?!?!
As for that picture of the Sub pilot's "bottom half"....the pilots stand on a small raised platform, while controlling the vehicles. There aren't any seats right there in the dead center of the row, so that allows them to hop up there, without climbing over the seats or passengers.
It was my understanding that they "bumped out" the entrance into the Sub caverns, because they wanted to do more of the scenes that required "darkness." As a result, there is less to see out in the lagoon, and the rockwork had to be built outward. It did change the look of the lagoon, as well as shortening the duration of time that the Monorail is actually "over" the lagoon. The rockwork also changed. The odd thing is, they didn't change all of the rockwork, so the exit from the caverns still has the original kind of "flat" rock work, while the other is very rounded and stylized. I don't know if that was to save money (probably), or if it's just that nobody thought to redesign the rockwork at the exit, to have it all match.
If the public was clamoring for something more "thrilling", then why did they bring the Subs back?
ReplyDeleteJB, EXACTLY! Why didn't they just fill the lagoon in, and build a major thrill ride? They used to take those surveys from guests as they left the park, so maybe people did complain about the Subs not operating.
Ha, ha! Animatronic bird poop! Does that mean that it moves/runs down the sides of the buoy? And yes, you can actually hear the birds saying, "MINE! MINE! MINE!" I remember thinking that was a nice touch, for the Nemo version of the attraction, even though I prefer the original version!
I believe there is only one sea bass in the newer version. Maybe that had to do with there now being less space out in the lagoon, since they created more "indoor space" by bumping the entrance further out into the lagoon? Or maybe they just wanted to save some money (probably).
Thank goodness our Sub attraction wasn't replaced by a Pooh playground, like WDW's "sub" attraction. I saw that hideous Pooh tree with the sheets of cork on the ground. They should be embarrassed by that! At least that was FINALLY removed.....just like the "hand and wand" over Spaceship Earth at EPCOT, and the "Sorcerer's Hat" at the Disney Hollywood Studios. All of those things looked horribly cheap! IMO! :-)
Tokyo Magic, to answer your question, it’s actually quite the opposite. I loved the original subs, what I meant to say was the last time I went on the OG subs was in 1997. I’ve been on the Nemo subs a handful of times, it was one of the only opening ceremonies I went to for a “new” ride. While I do think it’s better to have the Nemo subs than nothing at all but I’m not just the biggest fan of it, IDK what it is. I can get lost just looking at the kinetic vibes and beauty of the Submarine lagoon which is the thing I love most about that ride.
ReplyDeleteMike, okay....I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not when you said you "want the Subs gone for expansion." Personally, I think an Ewok forest would have been nice. ;-)
ReplyDeleteI think my favorite thing about this ride is the simplicity of the bubbles in front of the porthole to simulate going underwater, but I'm sure that convinced generations of children. I wonder what the view of the cast member pilot was when the sub was inside the show building. Excellent photos to go along with the post!
ReplyDeleteI wonder what the view of the cast member pilot was when the sub was inside the show building.
ReplyDeleteAndrew, the pilot's view inside the caverns is mostly of a network of pipes, railings and catwalks. People have posted pics of the inside with the lights on. Here's a link to a comment/post from someone who was evacuated from a Sub, once it was inside the caverns. They took quite a few pics! And now I want to know what they do if they need to evacuate people from a Sub that's out in the middle of the lagoon. Do they send a dingy over to evacuate them, just a few at a time?
https://themeparkreview.com/forum/topic/30781-photo-tr-evacuated-from-disneys-nemo-ride/
Thanks TokyoMagic!, your undersea photos are dreamy. The Subs were the second Disneyland attraction I went on (after riding the Monorail in), and the impression was great.
ReplyDeleteThe colorful coral photo is reminiscent of the dry "underwater" display at the back of Captain Hook's Pirate Ship, one more reason I was sorry to see the tuna boat go. Similar in style, though vastly more elaborate, was the Neptune's Kingdom diorama at Pacific Ocean Park, a spectacular-looking illusion, based on pictures of it.
What with the Auction scene removed from Pirates of the Caribbean, what would modern carpers have thought of those bare-chested mermaids ambling about? They were there on opening day in 1959, a supposedly more prudish time.
At GDB recently, there were those company -taken "employee-don't" photos to illustrate unacceptable cast member behavior. The suits must have missed the 1982 photo of a Submarine swabbie which is over at Daveland blog; standing in front of a crowd of visitors, he has surreptitiously opened his shirt to reveal a pierced nipple
Stefano, I actually took a photo of that dry "underwater" display in Captain Hook's Pirate Ship! It's not a really great photo, but I do plan to use it in a future blog post.
ReplyDeleteIf the mermaids were still in the lagoon today, I bet the modern carpers would have made sure that the mermaids were fully clothed. Or perhaps Disney would have placated them by having each mermaid hold two chickens in front of their chests, and changed the scene to an "underwater auction." I know, they could have just turned the mermaids into "detectives," by putting trench coats on them!
Wow! A nipple piercing in 1982, and on a DL employee! I suppose if guests could tell it was there, even when underneath the costume, management would have said something. But with the pockets on both sides of the shirt, I guess it remained hidden......except when deciding to show it off deliberately! I wonder if he was used in the slide show of employee "Don'ts"?
I wish I could've seen the mermaids. I recall being in Disneyland and my mom pointed to the middle of the lagoon--telling me about the mermaids (she probably saw them when they first appeared in November 1959). I was captivated. But I never saw any during the mid-60s, when they returned. At least, I don't recall seeing any. Oh, well.
ReplyDeleteI loved the original Submarine attraction, but can still enjoy the current version - though I do find the underwater cartoon animation a bit annoying. Like looking at submerged TVs.
Great pictures inside and out. I sure hope this attraction never gets removed. We gotta enjoy it while it's there!
Thanks, TM!
Sue, I also wish I could've seen the live mermaids. I still have the Tomorrowland View-Master set from my childhood, which includes a close-up image of them sitting on the coral reef in the lagoon. As a kid, I figured they were just brought in for the photo. I had no idea that they had actually been a "thing" at the park.
ReplyDelete"Like looking at submerged TVs"......ha, ha! Funny, but also accurate! Like watching Saturday morning cartoons at the bottom of the swimming pool.
I also hope the attraction never gets removed. But at this point, I think it's possible for absolutely anything to be removed. Management obviously does not care about the park's history or traditions. :-(